Brand Wars

[CCRT]

I figured it would be best to give this subject its own thread:)


Anyone care to start it off?


Mr. Bill???????

[CCRT]

The only thing he's missing is the shovel:cool:

[Malibu8x28]

Dave,
I would love to do a brand wars type event but theres a problem. The car counts. Cuz we know that there arent gonna be exactly the same amount of chevys, fords, mopars, etc, its kind of an unfair advantage to the largest brand.


Justin

[nedannouncer]

Hey all,

I know I went over this before, but during the first show at least the bracket guys will be arranged to have a brand battle.
There may not be even car counts and stuff, but this is for the show and to get you guys out in front of a rowdy brand lovin crowd.

This is the first of about a thousand new ideas I have been working on. This will be a good year.


later,

Brian

[Belvedere65]

Mr. Dave,
I have a shovel, as explained in another thread. You should see that MOPAR there also. Remember it! :D I have planted a banana tree in my trailer. Between rounds all MOPAR racers are invited over, to practice with a brand new set of heavy duty Darts, (excuse the pun) tossing them at you know what! Be sure that at least one bag of No Doze is with you at all times. It is common knowledge that when the third yellow light comes on, that you eeny, meeny, miney, moe trying to decide when to go. :D :D :D

In case you need a refresher course in what a MOPAR looks like, I have enclosed one for your inspection.:eek:

[daninline]

Here Dave I fixed you pic.

[CCRT]

Nice Job on the pic, Dan :)

[CCRT]

Brian--

Are you talking Dial-ins or heads up for the "Brand Warz" at the first show?

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill—

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to review that fine looking race car….again

I’ll have to be really on my game in order to compete with you on the tree.

Any interest in doing a .500 Pro tree?


Banana Tree……. I hear there’re very nutritious :D


BTW: How much does that thing weigh?

[Belvedere65]

Mr Dave,
It is 3400 lbs. No interest in a pro .500 tree. But the banana tree does interest me. :D To get ready for this season, here at the house my wife and I set one up and decorated it during the holidays, instead of the traditional one. It went over fine with the family. They haven't had so much fun since I slowly hacksawed my last small block Chebby into little pieces. when I was on a fitness kick. Good exercise!:cool:

By the way, here's another reminder!

[mod313]

Brian,
Is this deal going to be for all who show or is there a separate sign up list for it in addition to the sign up that we do for those days?
Doug

[mod313]

Of course we could do a special brand meaning list here as well.


My
Old
Pig
Ain't
Running

Fudged
Over
Repaired
Dodge

Driver
Returns
On
Foot

Rattles
And
Pings
Often
Misses


Just to start things off:D

[CCRT]

Well Doug, since you brought it up

MOPAR

Made Of Plastic And Rubber
Most Often Passed At Races
Mostly Old Parts And Rust
Mostly Old Paint And Rust
Mitsubishi's Over Priced American Replicars
My Old Plymouth Ain't Runnin.
Mostly Obsolete Parts Assembled Randomly
Miscellaneous Oddball Parts Assembled Ridiculously
My Only Problems Are Repairs


This forum will have everyone HYPED by April ;)

[Belvedere65]

:mad:

[hotrod7043]

Originally posted by CCRT
Well Doug, since you brought it up

MOPAR

Made Of Plastic And Rubber
Most Often Passed At Races
Mostly Old Parts And Rust
Mostly Old Paint And Rust
Mitsubishi's Over Priced American Replicars
My Old Plymouth Ain't Runnin.
Mostly Obsolete Parts Assembled Randomly
Miscellaneous Oddball Parts Assembled Ridiculously
My Only Problems Are Repairs


This forum will have everyone HYPED by April ;)

BOWTIES ARE FOR BUTLERS

[daninline]

Move over Pinto approaching rapidly

[nedannouncer]

Hey guys (and girls?)

Ok in response to a couple of questions about the Brand Warz concept


1.) It will be run as a dial-in setup. That way you guys get to practice and it adds some degree of drama to the competition. Major mis-matches are not that fun to watch...we want people hyped about this.

2.) The way I have envisioned it thus far everyone will be doing this if they sign up...no seperate sign up. Why? Becuase you are doing the same damn thing you would be doing anywa, the only difference is that the guy in the other lane will be piloting a rival brand's product.

3.) I realize that there will be discrepancies in the car counts amongst the brands but, hey, this is for fun so don't lose sleep over it.

Again, the reasoning for this is to get you guys into an active role in the show. As proven on this very thread we are (as are the majority of drag racing fans) brand loyal. Even if you are a Benedict Arnold type who runs a chevy motor in a mopar. The again my old chevy truck came with an a-833 trans in it so who am I to talk.
I will be adding creative touches to the shows this year and this is the first of many ideas that will be getting worked in.


keep stirring the pot men (and women?)

later,

Brian

[Belvedere65]

Ok! I is out here wit mu shuvl a mixin it wit du Dave!!!!!!
How's about ya dare Dave? Is yu toooooooo?:cool:

[StreetET]

You forgot ,

Move Over People Are Racing.

[CCRT]

Ok, Ok, You know how I really hate to stir things up:eek:

Bill & I will do our best to keep this thing going for ya Brian

Another peak inside Chrysler Motor Enginnering;)

[mod313]

This reconditioning device has been proven in extensive transmission testing in Mother Chryslers reman division. The only time these parts fail is when generic brand duct tape is substituted for the official Mopar Performance brand:D .

[CCRT]

I've heard that initially Mopar technicians had a hard time figuring which side of the tape to use.

Many a roll of Duct-tape was ruinied and wasted, not mention a lot of sticky fingered Mopar Techs

[daninline]

Is this how they balance the rods?

[CCRT]

DODGE

Dead Or Dying Garbage Emitter
Dodge: Dem Old Dudes Go Everywhere
Damn Old Dirty Gas Eater
Dead On Day Guarantee Expires
Dead On Delivery, Guarantee Expired
Drips Oil, Drops Grease, Everywhere
Drinks Oil, Drops Gears, Everywhere

[Belvedere65]

Dave, you got that picture out of the old catalog. It was revised in 1977 and the updated reconditioned rods are in the new one. I ran a set from 1992 till last year when # 5 rod left the block through a hole, that I'm not sure was there already, or that the rod did. I couldn't repair it with the duct tape because it wouldn't stick to the oil.
You know, I almost lost that race to Lee Vartanian last Sept. My right hand had sticky stuff on it, after checking the rods, just before the final round and I had to run the car through the traps in 1st gear because I couldn't get the hand off the steering wheel to make the 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 shifts! That's what we go through to beat those Chebbys! I know the rule book says you have to shift yourself, but what to do in a situation like that? CHEAT!!!! What else?

[higgybrew]

Brian it soumds pretty cool! If I'm not working the event I will be racing. How come we're getting into Chevy vs. Bill Freel? Bill, where's all your Mopar buddies? Didn't anyone let Mike Pomerleau know the message board moved? I have to admit - even though the Mopars are outnumbered they win a lot. Better start teching for illegal duct tape!:p See you all soon!
I AM NOT A STREET SQUIRREL!

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill—

Could you please explain the Mopar rational for using right hand wheels studs on the drivers side and left hand wheel studs on the passenger side?

Was there some problems figuring out which way to loosen a bolt when you got on the other side of the car?

This is definitely a MOPAR thing:)

[hotrod7043]

that idea was the brain child of a ex GM engineer that lied on his resume to try to get into mopar, he was terminated and sent to the GM subsidary of opel in england. he came back to gm in the mid 60s and whas the head engineer on the gm 4spd shifter project for there new67 model camaro, Healso woked on the project of supllying wrong info to Nhra for classification guides Heretired after gm was found in violation for closing fremont ca asembly plant.they were in a joint venture with Toyota to buid those novas in the early 80s. hope that helps and dave my mopar
or bills any day heads up , or dial your own, and thanks higgy brew for your admission they win alot.

[Belvedere65]

I don't know if Hot Rods theory is correct. I heard that when Chrysler tooled up way back when, that they hired a crew of Chevy people and a crew of Chrysler people as an experiment to try and speed production up. It just happened that the Chrysler crew was on the right side of the car and the Chevy crew on the left. Also, a Chevy crew was running the thread machines on the left side of the building. So, all lug bolts coming off their line naturally were left thread and were installed that way by the left side Chevy crew.

That explains the old saying, " We left that Chevy in the dust". :D

PS: I have a 265" small block that can be punched out to 283".
That sucker would really make some lucky Cabrolet person happy!


PPS: The left thread is on the left side & the right thread is on the right side!

[Belvedere65]

Higgy, I don't know where they are? Maybe they can't find the new board. Well, I'll just have to do what I can by myself. :cool:

[Belvedere65]

Mr. Dave & Mr. Bill,
The stats look like a pretty close race between us time wise. We could lead the pack off, so to speak.

[CCRT]

I sense some confidence in your new combination;)

That would give you approximately 100 more cubes than me......

mmmmmm, but they are only Mopar cubes.:D


SBC against Big Block Mopar sounds like a close race to me:D

[CCRT]

Mark--

They have probably broken down on the side of the internet highway, and are waiting for the cyber ramp truck:o

[hotrod7043]

i got a 400 cube mopar if ya wanna run dave and in at3323lbs, if that make yu feel secure, i stil afraid though i wouldnt want to hurt my nice paint from the shrapnel from that bowtie as iwas driven bye.and if yu fell bad in sure Steve cloukey would so you what a small mopar run like.

[CCRT]

Bill--

Ok, we'll lead the pack off:p

[hotrod7043]

and Bill returns for rnd 2

[Belvedere65]

Ok Dave! Classic Chevy / Mopar race and I think the times are close enough to make it interesting.:p

[hotrod7043]

bill yu goin to use that old throotle stop, when you race him?

[daninline]

I wounder who has the most post to date on here.
I think Dave's in the running.:D

[StreetET]

Dan you have no opinion, you're still just a Street Squirrel :p

PS did you get a good tranny yet ?

[daninline]

I guess I'll have to keep posting to move up in the ranks.
I found one I just have to go and get it.
Plus we are looking for a new house with a place to put the cars inside now on.
Well time to go and dream of racing this year :)

[StreetET]

If you can't make many events this year you can always loan me your front tires & rims :D If you can't experience the thrill of racing you car at least experience the thrill of watching some part of your car going down the track .
I'd really like to buy a set of skinnies. keep your eyes open. Still looking for that 12.99 on the stock engine.

[daninline]

If I don't run for a while you can try them a few times to see if you like them there only 24" so they might take some getting use to.

I just might get the truck running this year with the 514 now that would be fun.....
C ya.


hey I want to try and drive a stick ;):D

[Malibu8x28]

Any idea for a date on this brand wars event yet???? And Jim, how much does ur car weigh right now?



Justin

[CCRT]

Justin, I think the plan is to try at the first major event in April

Brian would have a better handle on this info

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill--

I thought for sure we'd have a bunch of brand loyalist jumping on this thread with us:(

[mod313]

I was hoping for the same thing Dave. Oh well see you soon.
Doug

[daninline]

Mine weights 3200.
Jim you know if you had one of those heavy chevys (daves) they wouldn't be safe:D

[StreetET]

Originally posted by Malibu8x28
Any idea for a date on this brand wars event yet???? And Jim, how much does ur car weigh right now?



Justin

My car still weighs about 3350 w/driver.

To you other guys if you're looking for a brand war , ok I'll bite .

FORDS RULE & CHEVYS DROOL !!!!

And yes, I'm interested in matching up at the Spring Classic

[CCRT]

That's the SPIRIT......

The next few weeks will be here before we know it


See Doug..... Maybe it's not too late for this thread:D

[mod313]

Of course Chevy's drool. But only at thought of chomping on some stray Ford or Mopar that crosses its path:D :D :D .

[CCRT]

How's that saying go?


Ford had a better idea
Mopar made it
Chevy beat it:D :D :D

[StreetET]

Now now guys, We all know the only saying that matters is ,

First On Race Day.

Will any be keeping score at this unofficial brand war ?

[nedannouncer]

Yo all,

The score will be definitely be kept by me and mike up in the tower. If this format gets adopted at some other shows we may even have some kind of unofficial "manufacturers" (spelling?) championship.


The only Ford saying worth remembering is F'er Only Runs Downhill

don't kill me mike....he he


later,

Brian

[Belvedere65]

Mr Dave, some just want to sit back and see how it shakes out. We just took the ole shifter by the grip and stepped up to the plate! Don't worry, others are starting to dribble in.

[Malibu8x28]

Hey guys,

Ill be happy to run sum1 heads up, would be a change like stock eliminator!!! But whose gonna wanna run a slow low 11 second malibu???? :( :( :(




Justin

[Belvedere65]

How about if the cars are paired, so their times are close in numbers. Then each car dials as close as he/she thinks it will run. Cut as good a light as possible and don't lift on the other end. If the cars leave fairly close to each other and make a race of it to the stripe, it will get a little more interest. Somehow the clocks will have to show the winner as the first to cross the stripe, even if a little breakout is there. There is to much variation in cars to go heads up. The honor system would have to be adheared to as far as dialing goes. Can anyone add or subtract from these ideas?

[nedannouncer]

Hey Bill,

The ideas you bring up are all awesome....but (You knew that was coming). The pairing of the cars could become a nightmare when everyone heads to the lanes.
I am trying to keep this simple as possible at first so it can become something we can do. When it goes off for the first time and we can see how it unfolds changes could be made. The easier that it works the first time the more the "right people" will like it and then we can expand.

But like I said before....bitchin' ideas.

Keep em' coming


later,

Brian

[CCRT]

Another Mopar Duct-tape inovation.


Those guys will use this tape on anything:D

[CCRT]

How about if the cars are paired, so their times are close in numbers.

Mr. Bill--

Wouldn't this place some of your fellow Mopars up against the Mears Tractor:p :p :p

Not exactly a crowd pleaser!

[Belvedere65]

Brian,
I understand about it being a nightmare. But if something can be worked out so we can run it out at the stripe, we wouldn't be doing the same old bracket type racing that we do in the points battles. Of course your right, in keeping it simple as you can. At least it's a thought to keep in the back of our heads. Would be fun to race as if it was heads up. Just need to work a handicap out so it's fair for everyone. Better yet, work out a system that is simple. Maybe a race or two is needed to sort it out?

[Belvedere65]

Mr. Dave,
Now that would all depend on the crowd. Have ya ever sat in the stands on the spectator side and looked around, or listened to the comments? A Mears and a John Deere, would bring them to their feet. With greenbacks clenched in their fingers!:D

It would be something like pitting a big block low dollar MOPAR against a, (I hope it doesn't break this time) high buck SB Chebby!:p


The very next thing that duct tape is going to be used on, is that smiling grill on your face! Before: :D After: :mad: LOL

[Malibu8x28]

We should just do a good old fashioned bracket race. the ET's of the cars r too far spread out to do a heads up type deal, i have NO PROBLEM bracket racing at this event!!


Justin

[daninline]

We could have a .10 breakout that way everyone would run it out the backend.
Or have a no brake light race if some one hits the brakes there out the only exception would be for the chevys so they won't over rev there small mills and they only use black tape on them so they just might come apart.

[mod313]

Brakes? We don't need no stinking brakes. We only use approved black duct tape; to use otherwise would be so Mopar-like:D :D :D .
Oh, your supposed to work on the car during the event? Us Chevy guys only open our hoods so the Mopar guys don't feel so bad:p .


Dave,
Where has Mopar Mike been? I would have thought he would come to Mother Chrysler's defense by now.
Doug

[Malibu8x28]

Guys,

I dont see the point of tryin to get all crazy w/ things. Why not just have a normal old bracket race? Would make things much less confusing. It is impossible to set up a method where ppl dont lift. If the fans dont like bracket racing, dont come, ill still be there....



Justin

[CCRT]

I don't know, Doug....seems like they left poor Mr. Bill all by himself.

Don't feel too bad for him though, These Mopar guys are used to being left strandard. Most of their best and only companions are tow truck and ramp truck drivers.


BTW: Mr Bill.... The grill line was a good one....I give ya points for that one;)

[StreetET]

Hey Justin, I'll run you heads up if I can stage at the 60' timer :D

[Malibu8x28]

LOL Jim, not a problem!!! Me and u will have to bracket race for fun one day, maybe in the finals of the brand wars.....



Justin

[CCRT]

We should use a .500 Pro tree for the Brand Wars Event. It would add a little different twist and get the driver's adrenaline pumping even more. One yellow flash and your gone.... It may also cut down on red lights. The crowd doesn't want to see their favorite Brand win by an opponents red light.

[CCRT]

Maybe a slow parade lap with all the cars grouped by brand. The crowd could get a chance to pick their favorite for the evening.


Only problem with that would be ... it would be hard to tell the difference between the parade lap and the actual race with the Mopar brand:D :D :D

Just tossing out ideas:)

[StreetET]

Originally posted by Malibu8x28
LOL Jim, not a problem!!! Me and u will have to bracket race for fun one day, maybe in the finals of the brand wars.....



Justin

Your on Justin, and if you win I'll wear a Chevy racing hat at the next point's meet but if I win I'll take a picture of you kissing the 5.0 emblem on my fender ;)

BTW didn't we all ready bracket race in Ohio ? I gave you that one. But I'm thinking of a trans brake & delay box on my $150 golf cart for the rematch :D

[Belvedere65]

Well, at the old Sanford track, the Chevys were always placed anywhere from say, 60' to 2 or 300' feet out on the track. Then the MOPARS would chase them down after the starter gave the green flag to both cars. You could see the brown stuff coming out of those Chevy drivers pants as the MOPARS cruised on by!:D


PS: The track crew hated it. Was worse than an oil down!:D :D :D

[hotrod7043]

yup dave ever run a pro tree of the foot brake, there wouldnt be any reds most likely , and yes biil the used to do that at orange in the old days too.drivers of other makes were required to wear body armor so the shrapnel fron the chebbys would hurt them.

[higgybrew]

Another vote for the Pro Tree! Why not? It's not a race for money - it's for fun. We should try it because they're too many redlights! And who cares if you cut a .650 light? It's better than red. I think it would help some of us see how our cars react also. The "old" style brackets sound interesting too. 10, 10.5, 11 etc. seconds. Let's do it! (Hope I don't have to work at this event!)

[hotrod7043]

out west years ago they ran heads up index brackets / no breakouts like of 12.26 13.26 14.26 and after that is was dialin your own we only had a 2 bulb 4/10 pro tree there were no reaction timers it was fun, plus if yu could run rt close to your index ya had it made and it was all footbraking was a lot of fun

[Belvedere65]

I'd give the pro tree a chance. It would make it interesting.

Thanks for the points Mr. Dave!

Gotta get those points any way ya can, I say!

Parade laps are out!

I have a tow truck on call!

Nothing else to say. All wore out fighting Mr. Dave:mad:

[mod313]

I think the pro 500 tree would be fun to try. Or maybe even an instant green:eek: ? Might not even need no-doze then:D .
As far as parade laps and wreckers...just save time and put the Mopars on them in staging:D :D :D .

[hotrod7043]

i drive aramptruck fot years and let me tell ya there were more calls for gm cars than mopars. and when yu footbrakers go to a proo tree you are going to learn what "Deep" is really about iknow ididnt it for 5yrs out west.

[daninline]

I did a pro tree (.400) one time last year and I'll tell ya the 1st time it is tuff I was not in deep and looking at the light and BAG a big green light looking at me it was so funny I got like a .900 light
I guess I won't run a pro stock any time soon.
If we do a pro tree will the chevys get a rolling start. :)

[hotrod7043]

Dan to matter what ya give them the owners weep cause of all the oil they seep, iheard certainstracks are makin the all have diapers.

[mod313]

Oil? I can't remember the last time I had to check or add oil to my Chevy. Now my Chrysler Corp Jeep on the other hand; when it stops leaking it's time to add oil:rolleyes: .

[Belvedere65]

:D Funny Mod 313, real funny! Load the trucks before the parade. Funny!
:D Lets try that once again, Load the trucks before the parade. Yup! It's still funny! :mad: LOL

[CCRT]

:D :D :D

[CCRT]

So far the .500 Pro Tree looks like it has some merit.

That will means you Mopar guys will have to leave on the "Pre-stage Bulb":o


BTW: Doug, I thought the "load them on the wreckers" was very, very funny:D

[hotrod7043]

well i see that yur pea brain ideaon how yu would stage dave i want you first round in a pro tree deal, that bulbs be blinking i be so deep iwould almost be in brentwood, would have to wory what the light was like id be runnin a chebby, can get bye easy if i can avoid all the parts coming off.

[Malibu8x28]

I have gone in deep before, i dont think there is any advantage unless ur car runs 18's w/

[Malibu8x28]

I have gone in deep before, i dont think there is any advantage unless ur car runs 18's w/ a 3+ 60'. All it did for me was allow me to leave later on the 3rd bulb and go red!!! LOL But as far as the pro tree goes, i have wanted to try it for a while, im up for it!!!!



Justin

[nedannouncer]

Ok,

So you guys want the pro-tree....sounds good to me. I did get lost though.

Is this thing going heads-up now or are we doing a handicapped pro-tree (which sounds crappy to me). If we go Pro-tree we should go heads up and if you get stuck next to someone much faster than you, well that's the breaks.

thoughts?

later,

Brian

[Malibu8x28]

I have a good idea. We want a pro tree, but yet we want to eliminate lifting, right? Well, what we can do is have it a heads up pro tree race, w/ dial ins. So we both leave at the same time, and run it out the back door, if u breakout, u breakout, this will eliminate sandbagging and lifting completely, and it will also be heads up...



Justin

[Belvedere65]

It could very well be that the fastest car there will always be the winner if it's heads up. not much fun for all the losers. They wouldn't stand a chance.
I think you will still need to handicap, even with a pro tree.

[hotrod7043]

how about index brackets 5teths prootree? of say 10.25/10.75 and in halfsecond ingredements till14.25 and thendial in brackets below 10.25 and above 14.25 hows that sound?

[Malibu8x28]

If u ask me, i think we should do a staggered 500 pro tree, really intense for the drivers but still in bracket racing form. I've talked to a few ppl and they r all up for it. Tell me what u think brian.



Justin

[CCRT]

Oh Boy--

Staggered Pro Tree is a tuff one.

I've run the .400 Pro Tree in Quick Street and you leave at the slightest flash of yellow.

The staggered .500 pro tree would be very hard because you'll have a tendency to flinch at your opponents light, especially if the indexes are close.

Is there a way to block the other side of the tree.... if there is then this would work

[hotrod7043]

heads up w/dialins justin whats that?

[Malibu8x28]

sumthin that isnt possible cuz i doubt that any timing system is suffisticated enough to have a heads up tree but w/ breakouts, ya know??

[nextime]

:D ok Im back, sorry bill to have left you alone with these chevy guys. Mark did you really think I could keep quit. I read a survey that 9 out of 10 chevy guys use viagra due to owning a chevy, love those mopar jokes. Get Real Get Mopar. Yes everybody is right that chevys out number others so we can call this new race JUNK YARD ELIMINATOR seems there will be so many chevys. Old mopars dont die they just get restored. Pro tree sounds good, and there should still be dial ins. There are to many variations of ets, its the only way to keep it a level playing field.


PS. I realy do like chevys where else could you go on sundays to get parts other than walmart.

[daninline]

I like the pro .500 tree bracket race and have them show our great R/T's on the boards :)
If I don't run I could help out.

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[hotrod7043]

Originally posted by Malibu8x28
sumthin that isnt possible cuz i doubt that any timing system is suffisticated enough to have a heads up tree but w/ breakouts, ya know?? heads up means both cars start at same time son/i think you mean protree w/dialians thats possible

[mod313]

Chevy guys don't need Viagra. None of us would be able to get in our cars if we used that stuff. Of course the only one I've seen touting that stuff drives a Ford. Maybe those guys really are on the short end of the stick:eek: .

[CCRT]

:D :D :D

[CCRT]

Danny Boy, MOPARS and FORDS???????

Your views, much like the Brands you support, seem to be damaged beyond repair:)

With views like that you should change your handle to "Dan-out-of-line":D




BTW: Welcome back Mr. Mike......Mr. Bill did a great job holding the fort.

[CCRT]

Doug--

You may very well have something there. It's a well know fact that the MOPAR guys would boast about their pistol grip shifters in order to make up for some personal inadequacies.;)


They were also know to use duct-tape before Viagra was invented
:p

[daninline]

Well I do tow with a Jeep (Mopar) and race a Ford Hmmm Dave kind of backwards. But this way I only tow it to and from the track not off the track :D.
If I had a Chevy I just would leave it on the trailer much cheaper:eek:
Well I have to go and fix someones poor Chevy now got to go and get some parts at Walmart:D :D

[StreetET]

Originally posted by hotrod7043
heads up means both cars start at same time son/i think you mean protree w/dialians thats possible

I think what Justin meant was; equal start pro tree , closest to the dial in with out going under wins. This is done at Fun Ford & is called Gallop for the Gold. I don't think this would be much interest to the fans though.

I don't care pro or sportsman but I want bracket. My car runs low 13's & I wouldn't stand much of a chance in pure heads up.

The FFW Mod Motor class format might work. It is pro-tree handicap. The computer give you the dial based on your qualifying runs with a built in .1 breakout.

[higgybrew]

Yay Mike found us! Poor Bill was getting Mopar Tunnel Syndrome!Dan - What's up with 514ci of Ford only running 11.19? How much does that thing weigh? Is that on street tires? What was the original post?:rolleyes:

[hotrod7043]

Mike well your back to helpus with the stupid chebby dreams, as all these chebby racers think the know everything, they do about nothing if the could on run a 1/4 of the passes that are on yur car they would be lucky read back as see some of these posts and some of the questions they ask, the statements they make and this is when they arent rankin mopars and fords, well i got 1 think to say 'BOWTIES are for Butlers and babies, smart men drive Mopars" gotta make a big deal about what aguy races well they can get taken out buy a toyotaor a edsel its package racing they dont know cause they are too busy fixing the chebbys those lines at the parts counter at walmart can take all day.

[hotrod7043]

Originally posted by StreetET


I think what Justin meant was; equal start pro tree , closest to the dial in with out going under wins. This is done at Fun Ford & is called Gallop for the Gold. I don't think this would be much interest to the fans though.

I don't care pro or sportsman but I want bracket. My car runs low 13's & I wouldn't stand much of a chance in pure heads up.

The FFW Mod Motor class format might work. It is pro-tree handicap. The computer give you the dial based on your qualifying runs with a built in .1 breakout.
explain maybe im misssing somethin after 35years of racing whats equal start with dial-ins? the ony way to be fair is the way yu race now but with a5tenths pro tree. never mind the breakouts, you go under you lose, iwould like to see the worst redlight rule be in though.

[daninline]

Originally posted by higgybrew
Yay Mike found us! Poor Bill was getting Mopar Tunnel Syndrome!Dan - What's up with 514ci of Ford only running 11.19? How much does that thing weigh? Is that on street tires? What was the original post?:rolleyes:
Well Mike it's a street car with street tires and only 3.55 gears.
Plus no roll cage yet (do you know anyone that can put one in for me) I was running to fast at that point so I never got to run it on a full throttle pass.
It weighs 3200Lbs and I only had a 750 carb on it, I just got a 1150 for the big block now.
I only run 1.6s 60' times with the street tires.
I want this thing to be running in the low 10's to 9's with the street tires when it's all done but till then little by little.

[hotrod7043]

Dan Dan Page did the cage in my car, its real nice , also Tube Chassis desidn in rockland doe nice stuff and he is a ihra chassis cert guy, car is fast for a street car.and its no chebby

[CCRT]

... your transmission gear selector has only two positions: slow and stop.

[CCRT]

... you find a duct-tape dispenser under the hood with refills in the trunk.

[CCRT]

... you spot a factory-applied sticker on the gas cap that says, "Minimum 12-octane fuel recommended."

[CCRT]

... your "owner's guide" consists of a parts catalog and an assembly manual.

[CCRT]

......You stage the car and the starter picks up the broom and shovel

[CCRT]

......They spray oil in the water box in order to help you spin the tires





Mr. Bill....... Where are you???????????

[hotrod7043]

dave you get that out of yur camaro glove box, all from a guy that asked if practice trees were helpful

[Belvedere65]

Mike, welcome back. I was doing ok with the Chebby people. Course that's because it doesn't take much to deal with them! One of them with a banana car is trying to get the most posts on here. He thinks that's how to win a race! Do you know if he works Mike? He has all kinds of time to draw cartoons and make up silly MOPAR comments, that's why I ask. Although I do think I'll use the MOPAR TEAM shirt he designed. Pretty sure that was his head on it though! There wasn't much inside if you take a close look. Looked like a little walnut. Guess the other squirrels on here that agree with him, missed that one last fall while storing food for the winter.:D
Are we ever going to decide how to run this race? Or are we gonna draw pictures all day?:rolleyes:
This hasn't gone up for awhile, so here is a "MOPAR" for the faint of heart.
LOOK AND WEEP!!!!!!!!!!

[higgybrew]

I figured it was on street tires. 11 second street car is no slouch! I just was curious. If you're gonna go 9's you'll have to take the barbells out of the trunk! :D

[hotrod7043]

Originally posted by Belvedere65
Mike, welcome back. I was doing ok with the Chebby people. Course that's because it doesn't take much to deal with them! One of them with a banana car is trying to get the most posts on here. He thinks that's how to win a race! Do you know if he works Mike? He has all kinds of time to draw cartoons and make up silly MOPAR comments, that's why I ask. Although I do think I'll use the MOPAR TEAM shirt he designed. Pretty sure that was his head on it though! There wasn't much inside if you take a close look. Looked like a little walnut. Guess the other squirrels on here that agree with him, missed that one last fall while storing food for the winter.:D
Are we ever going to decide how to run this race? Or are we gonna draw pictures all day?:rolleyes:
This hasn't gone up for awhile, so here is a "MOPAR" for the faint of heart.
LOOK AND WEEP!!!!!!!!!! the only thing that banana car attracts are yellow jackets we got a pic of 1 one the hood of dale rices nova at stupid chebby, well bill ill try to get a pic in too, what about you mike?

[StreetET]

Originally posted by hotrod7043

explain maybe im misssing somethin after 35years of racing whats equal start with dial-ins? the ony way to be fair is the way yu race now but with a5tenths pro tree. never mind the breakouts, you go under you lose, iwould like to see the worst redlight rule be in though.

It does sound screwy but the dail-in is just a number to hit in this case. the cars can be 300 ft apart at the big end but if the second car to cross is closer to the # with out going under it wins. I don't think this is a good way to run this event but it's a fun way to past the time & at Fun Ford Week End they do this for a cash pot & an extra time trial. Mark Winterbottom got it last year.

[StreetET]

Originally posted by Belvedere65
This hasn't gone up for awhile, so here is a "MOPAR" for the faint of heart.
LOOK AND WEEP!!!!!!!!!!

As a Ford guy I still gotta say, That's one fine lookin MOPAR :cool:

[hotrod7043]

or this

[hotrod7043]

street i got a email back from that adress you posted, thankin me for replying can you see if Karl volk has anymore Quonset 94 videos left?

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill

So far it looks like it will be a .500 Pro Tree with dial-ins

[StreetET]

Originally posted by hotrod7043
can you see if Karl volk has anymore Quonset 94 videos left?

You could give him a call @ 401-737-7932. Or try the source. This is right off the tape

R.C. Videos, Richard Coury 10 Laurel Park Holbrook MA 02343
617-767-2505. Remember this is 8 years old , the 617 exchange may have changed.

[hotrod7043]

thanks for the #s

[mod313]

Dave,
I don't know if you noticed this or not but the red duster appears to be LOSING to the chevy powered car in the far lane. Looks pretty natural though.
We just got in the Mopar roadside emergency kits. They contain 5 rolls of duct tape with an illustrated user manual, 2 rolls of bailing wire, a large push broom, 3 bags of oil absorbant, large shovel and comes in a handy 30 gal parts container for use with the broom and shovel:D . Sold at all Mopar dealers.

[Belvedere65]

Ooooooooh! Me thinks StreetET is coming over from the dark side.
Hey, you'll like it! No more skulking around in the bushes, standing in the back of the food line at the concession stand, sucking up to Dave so you can pit next to him etc. :D What a long day that must be?:o I know, BORING!!!!

[Belvedere65]

Ok Mr. Dave, we can give the .500 tree with dialins a try. If that doesnt work for everyone, go to plan B.


Was that really you imposed on the top of my new team shirt?

[StreetET]

Originally posted by Belvedere65
Ooooooooh! Me thinks StreetET is coming over from the dark side.

LOL, Give me a shot at the helm of that Belvedere & I'll think it over.
I actually did dip my toes in the Mopar pool a few times. My favorite was my last , a '70 Challenger RT 383 conv, orange on white. good highway car but not much out of the hole. sold it when I was 20 for the enormous sum of $3500 in '85. Put the cash down on my first 5.0 and haven't looked back.

I really like a lot of cars but there's not much sport in that,

FORD # 1

:p :D ;)

[CCRT]

not much out of the hole

There you have it Mr. Bill

another former unhappy Mopar camper that switch.



Don't feel bad, MOPAR makes one hell of a taxi cab:D

[hotrod7043]

yes mod that olds powered car in the mext lane had just bulbed and was amuch slower car the mopar was still on him at the 60 ft mark. oh yeah i forgot you guys dont know what deep staging and all you wanna run is heads up with dial ins, when acertain prson wins a championship acouple of yers ago on. thats 600 lights that a real hitter, will a pratice help? you and dave should buy one cause with some of yourquestions you are going to need
it when all the old time footbrakers come back to mod, a certain red mustang that came back and took the moey last fall at that special race. never mind the brand slams just hope yu dont get paired with him early mopar doesnt have emergency kits but aaa
does alllll GM roadside assitance, made some money towing them cars. mod when you see me on a test and tune come rt up pout a# on and lets goif not ill borrow a footbrake mopar to show ya. ok Bowtie Baby

[CCRT]

Doug--

You'll have to forgive these MOPAR guys.....

They're always lost in thought -- it's unfamiliar territory:D

[hotrod7043]

not really dave but its better than unknown territory, maybe we just see reality, i bet you got more in your small chevy than i got in my low dollar mopar than runs faster.

[higgybrew]

hotrod7043 wrote "you are going to need
it when all the old time footbrakers come back to mod"

Bring it on! The more the merrier. Just don't forget to take the BOX out. But remember this - they will not have an easy time of it. Mark Winterbottom has won no matter what class he's raced in.
Know what his secret is? Chevy PG tranny! ;)

[CCRT]

Mark--

I don't think some of those MOPAR drivers will give up the Box and the air shifter. They might be kinda skeeeeeerd to actually have to "drive" the car.;)


Don't forget the mufflers:cool:

[hotrod7043]

no Higgy mark is a good racer can drive and dial his car and one nice guy,i have senn him cover a guy early and never lift thats confidence in your # or what. plus ray knights goin back to mod and higgy 6 cars in mod top ten were not chevys acouple of years ago iwas watchin the mod and street in the paper and guys are winning with 600 lights, what i never had that luck, so it shows ya
luck is a real factor. not the 2spd TAxicab Bue Flame6 trans that all you chevrolet guys pays big bucks for maybe 85 passes if ya got any hp.
converter bills are alot higher with a 2spd.ask Ray sawyer about what the diference in the 400 andthe glide was in his old firebird.

maybe mike wil tell us , i not sure but i think he said there was better 60 ftwith the turbo and more mph cause the converter doent slip as much.

[CCRT]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[higgybrew]

Dave, we need to get you on the track! Way too much time on your hands. Nice job though. Poor Bill's gonna be waiting for you in staging!

[hotrod7043]

dave is really frustrated that he dont own a mopar just a banana tree, that attracks all the bees and yellow jackets

[MikeSawyer]

In terms of the actual Brand Wars competition, I'm not thinking that a .500 Pro Tree is a very good way to go about it.

For the most part, only cars that are running about 11.00 and faster even stand a chance on that tree. And that's if they've got the front end travel limited, smaller front tires, and bumping up the launch.

Most of you footbrake guys with 26" fronts, 11-12 second cars, and launching like you normally do will be .580-.650 on the tree.

You'll really have something to complain about when you come against a box car and all he has to do is drop 1-second out of the delay box and hit it like normal and still come up five-oh's. Oh yeah, and he gets to use the crossover, too, so that he can hit your top bulb and not have to worry about flinching when he's chasing.

Do yourselves a favor and just bracket race in normal fashion. Full Tree, Dial-ins, everything. If you think that most spectators don't want to see bracket racing because of the lifting at the top end, you're kidding yourself. If you were to poll them, 95% of the average fans wouldn't even realize that you're womping it on the big end. They don't put the stands at the finish line, and the only people who watch bracket racing from the finish line are the people who want to see some good ol' fashion pedalling.

Later!
..................... Mike

[hotrod7043]

right on MR mike and those lihgts wound me normal for them guys any way, so tell us what was the difference in the t-400 and the pg in your dads old fire bird?

[MikeSawyer]

The powerglide in the ol' Firebird was boring, the th-400 was more fun! ;-)

Seriously, though, we tried all sorts of tranny combinations to try and make the car cut a .400 light. We tried a 1.76 glide, a couple of 1.98 glides, and a few th-400's. The thing that worked the best in that car was a th-400 that Gregoire Racing Transmission built for us. Solid as a rock and could still get down into the four-oh's.

Car ran about .05 quicker with the th-400, too.

http://www.northeastdragracing.com/photos/pontlaunch98.jpg

I wonder what happened to that car after it went to Virginia...

Later!
.............. Mike

[hotrod7043]

so there you pg nuts 3 spds not 2, plus you can run ahigher rear end gear for less rs in lights wana know the formulas its in the Mopar performance chassis manual, lotta good info here that canbe applied to any make25 bucks you might learn somethin about what makes acar work, we couldnt do that thought dave it would cut down on our cartoon time. thanks mike im sure the chevys boys wont believe you, and remember the better the starting line ratio the better the car runs usually, make sure car can hook first, pgs are a band aid for non hookin cars, plus yur converter is takin a hell of a beatin.

[MikeSawyer]

Each car is an individual. What works for one car, may not work for another.

For example, the new car started out with the same th-400 in it. Worked good bracket racing, but it was too much low gear for 6000 RPM launches on the pro tree and no matter what we did with the suspension it would spin to the point of not being about to cut a light.

Tried and old 'glide we had, and that didn't work so well, but once we had Select Performance build one, things started to come around. They've been doing the pro tree thing for a while, which is why we went to them for that.

After putting the big motor and a 9" Converter in the car, the only time we ran the car out the back door it still went 1.14 60' and ran 7.82 @ 175.... With the glide. And just look how it leaves:

At 3500 ft Elevation (Vegas):
http://www.siracing.com/photos/si4vegas2.jpg

At about 1000' Elevation (Pomona)
http://www.siracing.com/photos/si4pomona1a.jpg

Later!
............ Mike

[Belvedere65]

:mad: Look what you did to my car! :rolleyes: Now we are back to Higgys question, how to remove glue? I don't have time to do that stuff. And take your jack stands and put them! Oh never mind!
Serious here for a minute, I'm doing a story on why anyone would paint their car yellow. What I need is, did it come to you in a dream? Were you the kid that got beat up in school all the time? Was it the only paint left at Walmart the day you went in? Did Walmart have a penny sale? I know! The automotive manager at Walmart is your girl / boy friend! Please answer the questions and send them to David Letterman, care of one of the networks. He has run out of standup stuff on his show.
C can
C Chevys
R really
T turn a tire

[MikeSawyer]

There's nothing like the sound of a good working 3-speed tranny...

Check This Out (http://www.siracing.com/sound.html)

Let's see who can guess which (of our) cars this was made from and about how fast it was going...

Later!
................ Mike

[hotrod7043]

no mr Bill he is just frustrated and has the mind of a bowtie baby

[hotrod7043]

john grays nova 11.40s

[CCRT]

Sudden Impact II Nova

Low 9 pass

[Malibu8x28]

Hey hotrod,

U mention the old footbrake racers, like ray knight comin back, but little do u know, rayknight is runnin top next year. and u also forget to mention the NEw footbrake racers comin into the sport, dont let them slip ur mind, we aint a joke, TRUST me. I guess im gonna have to show u when i get my H/SA 69 Camaro and run NHRA Stock eliminator. :)



Justin
Mod 8x28

[hotrod7043]

sorry justin but that a wrong class for a camoro, h/sa has alotta fast cars and unless yu got foxwoods budget yur toast lotta heads up chances, build acar that fits a class and runs fast for little money, dan flecther is doin a camaro for g/h , i know a guy thats got a i/sa cuda thats faster than most h cars, and he doesnt run into alot heads up races. think before youbuild.even thou the rules a for chebbys in stock.

[Malibu8x28]

I was thinkin either the nova or the camaro, and john gray just went to the finals in the nova and only ran heads up once, so we'll see. and fletch just built a b/sa camaro, lost 2nd round at the gators....

[CCRT]

It's Friday let's see if we can play nice today:D

[hotrod7043]

only way it wiil be nice is if you learn what reality is dont forget to water the banana tree, with offifical chebby water available at any sewer treatment plant, and refiil your oil after every fire up.

[higgybrew]

I think Dave and Bob should run heads up - no box of course. It's time to "put up or shut up" as they say. (Who's they?)

[hotrod7043]

why no box? ox cars havent won 2yera in row at national , but for him hiiby ill zero the box. i aint got a problem bottom bulb racing, and it would be all over at the 330 anyway.

[higgybrew]

I guess you two could decide the box/nobox deal.

[CCRT]

Mark—

Mr. Bill and myself have agreed to square off. I prefer the higher level of competition in which Mr. Bill will provide, rather than wasting time with the lower rank aforementioned opposition.


He'll need to work his way up the ranks to get a shot at our caliber:o


As far as trusting them not to use the box… I’d trust them about as much as I trust the Democrats to recount the Florida Ballots.
:D

[CCRT]

Originally posted by hotrod7043
i got a 400 cube mopar if ya wanna run dave and in at3323lbs, .


If you wanna add 75 lbs, 10.5" tires and mufflers to your ride.

We could have a very fair heads up race and settle the Brand Wars issue. 400 Mopar cubes vs 400 Chebby Cubes


No Box, No T-Brake & No Air shifters, Naturally Aspirated

[hotrod7043]

well dave soory to sa have already been there and with the real hitters every week for years, so aloudmouth chevy punk as you are i dont even consider your comments are practice tress any help really yur intellingence really doesnt surprise me dave. run your mouth all you want it people like you that ruin our sport. dave how many et finals you been too? rather how many second rounds? i know yu had more important thing to do wal mart was having a sale

[hotrod7043]

Originally posted by CCRT



If you wanna add 75 lbs, 10.5" tires and mufflers to your ride.

We could have a very fair heads up race and settle the Brand Wars issue. 400 Mopar cubes vs 400 Chebby Cubes


No Box, No T-Brake & No Air shifters, Naturally Aspirated already got mufflers race hasnt even run run and yur weepin no box /no air shifter etc run what ya got its heads up, and yes its naturally aspirated no bottle here

[CCRT]

Originally posted by hotrod7043
aloudmouth chevy punk

QUOTE]Originally posted by hotrod7043
yur intellingence really doesnt surprise me dave. run your mouth all you want it people like you that ruin our sport. dave [/QUOTE]

Mr. Bob

There is no need for insults..... If you take the time and look back at the previous 9 pages here you will find that it is you, that had some pretty colorful comments directed at me:)

My last post was the first time I directed a comment towards you.... I thought you could take it:(

So, as not to upset you so much anymore I'll refrain from corresponding with you.

Sorry for the misunderstanding

GEEEZZZZ Everyone was supposed to be nice today.... It's Friday;)

Thanks Mark:mad:

OK Mr. Bill where were we?

--Dave

[MikeSawyer]

Enough with the personal attacks!

It's Friday, and I really don't feel like giving anyone a posting vacation (banning) today. But if you want to test me, please continue to flame away!

You may think that you're commenting in jest, but on my end (and I'm sure on the persons end of who the comments are directed at) it doesn't seem that way.

Bob- consider yourself warned. If you're going to post stuff like this,


yur intellingence really doesnt surprise me dave. run your mouth all you want it people like you that ruin our sport
you should be prepared to deal with the consenquences. Old-fashioned Chevy vs. Mopar (like Bill and Dave are doing) is one thing, but to personally attack and insult somone is stepping over the proverbial line. You're entitled to your opinions, but just don't go slamming other people to get them out. All you're doing then in making yourself look foolish, and you don't want to do that.

All right boys and girls, let's keep it in line and try to continue with a good constructive discussion (read: not flaming match) about a great idea that Brian brought up.

Thanks,
............... Mike

[hotrod7043]

mike they could use a saturday for the race and maybe get some dealers to put up some money there are plenty of dealers associations and groups around would be a fun day all makes against each other, pre -entry and qualifying that day 2 brackets.
box/nobox. would be fun a special 5tenths protree somany wanna
se how bad alight they can cut make them happy

[hotrod7043]

mike they could use a saturday for the race and maybe get some dealers to put up some money there are plenty of dealers associations and groups around would be a fun day all makes against each other, pre -entry and qualifying that day 2 brackets.
box/nobox. would be fun a special 5tenths protree somany wanna
se how bad alight they can cut make them happy

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill

When you gonna fire off that new combo?

[Belvedere65]

I've just been sitting here watching the fireworks!
As soon as the tape is off the car I might be able to get it out of storage. Don't want anyone seeing it with the discraceful vandalism that was done a few days ago. I have some good ole boys looking into the matter as we speak. All Chebby peoples should be a lookin over thar shoulder from now on!
The storage issue is what is holding me up. If we can get a few vehicles out of the way, I can get the trailer out. Then it's together in 69 seconds. Mopars are easy to work on!

[mod313]

Well lets see; Mr Dave runs Mr Bill for ultimate bragging rights. This could be good! Of course it will be a no-box contest since run Mod. We already know Mr Bill can beat the box guys and Mr Dave has gone rounds in Top. Will this be a one shot deal or a three run match race? This will definately add some spice to the brand wars deal. The only other question is do you guys want a pro tree or full tree?
Just think it's only a couple more weeks "til the action starts:D !

[CCRT]

Geezz, That's terrible news about the vandalism! I'll keep my eye open for anything suspicious;)

[CCRT]

Doug--

Maybe we should have the Brand War decided by team points.

The battle with Mr. Bill should be a good one. After all, he is the seasoned veteran with years of cool hand experience and me... I'm the rookie. The one advantage that I'll have is the Chebby power under the hood:)


Maybe we'll mix it up...some pro tree some regular

[mod313]

Dave,
That's the illustrated manual included in the new Mopar emergency road side kit:D :D :D .

[Belvedere65]

I think I know where the roll of grey duck tape is at! But, I will foregive the rookies attempt, to distract the seasoned veteran, from the duties bestowed on him, by the original Woodward Ave. Ramchargers from Detroit, to decimate the Cabaro that has challenged him to a 2 out of 3 dial in race, with no lifting at the stripe, and run on a standard 3 bulb bracket tree. The car that crosses the finish line first without lifting will be the winner, unless he breaks out, in case of a double breakout, the car that is closest to it's dial in will be considered the winner. :cool:

If a car crosses the finish line and is not under full power, it will be disqualified that round.

[CCRT]

Originally posted by Belvedere65
If a car crosses the finish line and is not under full power, it will be disqualified that round.


Who's gonna judge that? Not that I'd have a problem with someone as honest as yourself;)


Maybe Doug could be the judge.

Doug are sure you'll be able to distinguish when a MOPAR is under full power and when it's not?:D

Kinda always looks like their lagging behind to me!

[Belvedere65]

Two impartial judges will be stationed at the finish line. With their finely tuned ear, to the sounds of motors with the pedal to the metal, they will make the decision as to the winner of each round. To back them up, in case of a minor discrepency in the decision, a decibal meter will hang over the finish line. This delicate instrument will decide if any games are being played. It will be connected to a one ton steel ball hanging from a crane 200 feet beyond the meter. The meter will calculate all conditions, and send a signal to the electronic latch that holds the ball in place. The crane will swing to the losers lane and (gently) drop the missle on the camaros roof! The tower will send flatbed Bob, the official track, pick up what's left truck to the scene for recovery purposes. :D

These are the rules, if they don't agree with the players, you can back out now and save that banana from the crusher!:p

[StreetET]

ROTFLMAO , Dave & Bill , you guys are killing me. I'll be watching intently at the stripe.

[mod313]

Dave,
I'd be happy to judge it. Of course I'll have to throw a couple ball bearings and few pairs of boots in the dryer for a while so I can get use to the sounds of a Mopar under full power:D . Hard to beat the sweet sound of a 400sbc at full song:p .
Maybe the "modified" pic of Mr Bill's Mopar is what it will look like after the first round when the "confessor" meter swings down on Big Red:D :D . Gotta love that duct tape.

[CCRT]

Originally posted by mod313

I'll have to throw a couple ball bearings and few pairs of boots in the dryer for a while so I can get use to the sounds of a Mopar under full power:D

Doug.....LOL

From your detailed accurate description I can tell you have heard you share of Chrysler's finest;)


StreetET, If you're at the stripe and intending on taking any pictures you'd be well advised to get the widest angle lens possible, because that red taxi (aka Mopar) with be more than a few car lenghts behing me when I cross:cool:

[Belvedere65]

Hey Mr. Dave,
I was just thinking, I know you don't think MOPAR people think, but anyway, I'm not sure what you look like? How do I know but what you might stick a ringer in your car to do the driving! I think a photo ID is in order here. Someone has to verify, that you are who you say you are!
Is a birth certificate available from taxachussetts or whatever other planet you were hatched on, that has distinguishing features attached to it which will identify you as you?
For instance: Small beady eyes
Nose on the back of your head
ears upside down
Ten fingers
On one hand
Yellow skin
Permenent brown spots
In your shorts
If all of the above are true, I will consider you as an opponent, to grace the lane opposite myself, to do battle on the day designated, by agreeing partys in writing, during the year 2002 at the track of choice, in the state of NH, in the town of Epping / Brentwood, run by the sanctioning body, known as IHRA.
Replys should be returned to the headquarters of Bill Freel Racing no later than midnight, March 23, 2002. Failure to do so will forfeit your intrests in this endeavor.
Yours, Bill Freel

[CCRT]

In fact that question was on Jeopardy last night in the category of Automotive sounds for $500

The noise a couple ball bearings and few pairs of boots in the dryer wile make?

Answer:
What is a Mopar under full power

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill

Actually we met last year in the lanes. I came up to you and congratulated you on your National Event Win. I don’t know why I did that but I later found that I had a case of heat exhaustion and was severely dehydrated…. That explained the delusional act of congratulating a MOPAR winner.:p

As for what I look like, You'll only need a description of the back of my helmet....Becuase that's all ya gonna see when the tree comes down and I drop the hammer releasing the the mighty mouse:D

[mod313]

Dave,
You should post a rear shot of your car so Mr Bill will recognize it when that Mighty Mouse runs away from Big Red:D . Do I get a royalty from that Jeopardy show?;)
Of course Chevy guys are all ringers:D ! So it won't matter if Mr Dave or Mr Dave's evil Mopar lovin' twin is driving the Mighty Mouse:eek: the result will still be a good long look at what the tail lights of a 67 Camaro look like:D .

[Belvedere65]

Just a reply sir! That's all that is needed. You have 3 hrs. and 45 min.

[Belvedere65]

Now I remember! The little fella with stars in his eyes. I told you at the time, that kneeling at my feet and kissing my toes wasn't needed. I have seen a heck of a lot of star struck wannabe racers over the years, but that was the most embarrassing moment I have ever seen. I hope the drooling is under control, for your sake! I can just imagine what Force says to Coil, back in the motor home, after sessions such as that display in the lanes you talk about.
Have your people, contact my people, to make final arrangments for your remains after our little tussle.

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill

Here's the info you requested.
On behalf of the rest of the "BUNCH":D I accept.

[mod313]

Great pic Dave:D :D :D .

[CCRT]

Originally posted by Belvedere65
Two impartial judges will be stationed at the finish line. With their finely tuned ear, to the sounds of motors with the pedal to the metal, they will make the decision as to the winner of each round. To back them up, in case of a minor discrepency in the decision, a decibal meter will hang over the finish line. This delicate instrument will decide if any games are being played. It will be connected to a one ton steel ball hanging from a crane 200 feet beyond the meter. The meter will calculate all conditions, and send a signal to the electronic latch that holds the ball in place. The crane will swing to the losers lane and (gently) drop the missle on the camaros roof! The tower will send flatbed Bob, the official track, pick up what's left truck to the scene for recovery purposes. :D

These are the rules, if they don't agree with the players, you can back out now and save that banana from the crusher!:p

[mod313]

Now we know reason for previous "spy" shot of Big Red.:D
Dave,
I didn't want anyone to forget the sneak preview you found;) .

[CCRT]

Good morning gentlemen:)

2 weeks to go!!!!!

Mr. Bill

Will you be attending the first Test & Tune on Sat. with your new 500 cubes?

After all, you only need 69 seconds to tune that baby in;)

[Belvedere65]

No I won't be there. I decided to quit racing. That's all I can say right now.
Later fellas!

[hotrod7043]

now Biil yu must have banana poisoning, those bowties finally get to you.

[CCRT]

Originally posted by Belvedere65
No I won't be there. I decided to quit racing.


:(:( :( :(

[mod313]

Mr Bill,
Say it ain't so!!!! We were all looking forward to the ultimate brand war!:(
Or is this just an early April Fools day prank;) ?

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill--

I still like the idea of the .500 Pro tree. To make if fair we need to have a blinded tree. This should take care of the un-fair advantage that the Box cars would have, leaving off their opponets light that Mike had mentioned. It would also prevent flinching.

Does NED have blinders for the tree?

[Belvedere65]

Although I have decided not to race anymore, I have a question. I thought that the race was a no box-er. Other than Mr. Mike, as far as I know there were only non electronic racers responding. Sorry hotRod, thought your mission was to stir the pot.
Most Chebby people have their own blinders, or, can't see the tree for the forrest anyway!

[CCRT]

Even if it's all No-Boxer's the blinders would help with the flinching of the handicapped .500 Pro tree.

I don't know what the original intent was. It might be kind of hard to have two seperate box/no box classes during one of those major events.

BTW: What's this CRAP about you quit racing?????????

If you need a hand getting that charming Red machine ready, I'd be more than happy to help..... My drooling is almost under control at this point;)

I can even tell ya if its a real 440 or a 383:cool:

[hotrod7043]

biil i can still foot brake, if iwant toothink icanuse sons car , run alitle sower rt even with the chebbys, and besides dont remember any set rules for the race , just make sure joe has extra help and rice sweep for the cheby oil downs. ill ltake the box out any day, but we are done racing rt bill

[Belvedere65]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's all I'd need! Chebby drool in my carb mixing with the fuel!
KABOOM!!!!! Your worst nightmare, me, would be out of competition.
As I have said earlier, I am all done. The desire is gone. The hostile environment has reduced me to unhappiness. Unless some miracle, or a vision appears before me in the coming weeks, I must withdraw from the name calling, back biting events of the year.:mad:

Hasta Lavista, Bill Freel Racing:cool:

[hotrod7043]

now bill,wel we can all go to the L&L rest home in atco nh so we can go watch.

[nedannouncer]

Hey All,

Ok, here is the outline of the Brand Wars shootout that I plan on using. Remember this is the first running of this thing and simplicity is the major factor I am trying to work on here. Why? Becuase if this thing turns into a train wreck the first time out we will never be able to do it again.

We will run a regular sportsman tree with dial-ins. I know this may not be the most popular decision with you guys, but remember that the majority of people that will be participating in this have no idea it is even coming, unless they have read this board.

Each make will be set in their own staging lane with oddballs lumped together. Depending on how many runs we get in we will rotate the rivalries. First time through...Ford Vs Chevy...2nd Chevy Vs. Mopar...and so on.

Dave and Bill will be the first pair to run. To settle the score they will run heads up...straight out the back door. Run watcha brung...and hope you brung enough. Bill and Dave, be prepared for mega hype from my end to whip the fans up for the rest of you guys.

I know this is a lot more rudimentry than the ideas that were being thrown around. I liked almost all of those ideas and god-willing we will be able to work them in as time progresses, but as I have said a thousand times my motto is KISS (keep it simple stupid).

Now is the time you fling poo at me. Fling away, I've been a college editorial columnist for 4 years now and have had everything from deaths threats to people attacking me with tofu (seriously) so give me your worst!

later,

Brian (aka...the party pooper)

[mod313]

Brian,
Sounds like a cool plan:) .

[higgybrew]

Oh well, maybe the 2nd time we have one of these type races. Personally, when I'm racing I don't care what brand is in the other lane but some people do. I always root for the Chevys because that's what I drive. Where's all the Ford guys? Don't have PC's yet? :p

[StreetET]

Originally posted by higgybrew
Where's all the Ford guys? Don't have PC's yet? :p

I'm all the Ford racer you need. If you're really nice , you can be in the winner circle photo with me & my Mustang. :D

[hotrod7043]

brand name rt rt mark they all break, and they all ron apackage wins races not a brand.

[Belvedere65]

To Brian (AKA PARTY POOPER)
In case a miracle happens, and I decide that I need a banana for my cereal, are you talking of having this race at the Spring Classic?
Also, do we get to race before the kerosene is on the track or after?

[nedannouncer]

Hey Bill,

Spring Classic is the plan.

I am working with joe on adjusting the run orders of the show, to mix things us a bit. But If i was a betting man. I would say, post-kerosene.


later,

Brian

[MikeSawyer]

Hey Brian,

Looks like a great plan. I like the KISS attitude (use that in my programming and development all the time).

Higgy- on some Saturday put a P with a circle around it and a .500 next to it on your windshield. They'll give you a .500 Pro Tree. That way you can see how deep into the .600 range you'll be ;)

Later!
.............. Mike

[hotrod7043]

mor like .800 of the f/brake

[CCRT]

Originally posted by Belvedere65
In case a miracle happens, and I decide that I need a banana for my cereal

Mr. Bill--

Just thought you'd like to see what us Chebby guys have for breakfast;)

[Belvedere65]

:D Yummy?:p

[Lethal Weapon]

HUM ? What are we going to pair an AMX powered by A Chevy up against . Oh well doesn't matter sounds like fun anyway . Hey BFRACING,you can come up to Oxford and run with us on Sat . nights, gonna pay $1200 to win this year and a lot less cars to get by than NED. Theres a nice bunch there to . Then run NED on Sunday if you want, thats what we do from time to time. DAN

[nextime]

All right already enough about brands. two words SHUT UP lets see some action on the track. Im ready for any type of car slow or fast, box or no box. Lets get ready to rumble. Oh yea I have my delay box set to leave off the bottom bulb, it works great. Mark Higgins you lie you dont just root for chevys you tell me you root for me all the time. Bill sorry to see what those vandils did to you car. Im installing a delay box in my wifes dodge intrepid today so I can run in street this year too, cant wait both cars will leave off the same bulb. I figured its time to stop being a closet delay boxer now that its out I feel great.

[DLeBlanc]

Hey Mike

I didnt realize that you were in Middleboro too. Im over on Acorn Street now but we might be getting some land over on Summer Street soon. I told my wife we need a small house and a large garage.

[CCRT]

QUOTE]Originally posted by Belvedere65
Although I have decided not to race [/QUOTE]


Mr. Bill

It’s really too bad you choose not to race in the “Brand War“ event.:(

It would have been fun…. Oh well maybe another time.

I fully understand and RESPECT your decision.


BTW: I hear there will be “BUYBACKS” :D :D :D

[MikeSawyer]

Uh-oh... Now you did it ;)

Later!
................. Mike

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill

Just wanted you to know.......Chebby guys are always willing to help:D

[Belvedere65]

BUYBACKS? Count me in! I didn't know that!!!!!!
After seeing the help you are willing to give me and the car, I have to say go for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets see, $25.00 X 6 to 8 Buybacks=? I can afford that!!!!!!!!!!!!


See ya April 28th. :cool:

[mod313]

Great pic Dave! Always remember a friend in need probably drives a Mopar:D :D :D .

[CCRT]

Brian--

I don't think it's too much to ask that Mr. Bill & myself get a .500 Pro Tree, just to lead things off.

After all it's gonna be a Heads- Up race.




"Bananas like to peel out":cool:

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill
FYI:(


Automotive Recalls and Technical Service Bulletins for 1965 Plymouth Belvedere L6-225 3.7L 1-bbl.
Provided by ALLDATA





Bulletins for 1965 Plymouth Belvedere L6-225 3.7L 1-bbl

Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title ATRATB8838 AUG 88 No Forward Movement 904 Transmission
ATRASIL885 FEB 88 Interchanging Parts 904 Transmission
ATRATB8543 JAN 85 Recurrent Sticking Valves - Automatic Transmission

[Belvedere65]

That recall was taken care of this winter.:rolleyes:
Anything else I should be aware of?

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill



Originally posted by mod313
I'll have to throw a couple ball bearings and few pairs of boots in the dryer for a while so I can get use to the sounds of a Mopar under full power:D

I was getting clothes out of the dryer last night and I was wondering if you had fired up Big Red yet?:eek:

Did you have the mufflers on the car when you won the Nationals last year?

Any tips you can give me oh how to cut a good light?;)

Thanks

[Belvedere65]

Mr Dave,
You better get that dryer fixed, it sounds awful.
No mufflers on the car last year.
Wait for the green. That's a must! Then your sure not to bulb.
I'm counting on you taking this advice!

[higgybrew]

Dave don't wait for the green! Leave off of the stage bulb. :D

[hotrod7043]

BETTER THAN ALL THE CAMAROS GM BOUGHT BACK IN 1967-1968.

[turbocoupe]

you know that old saying ashes to ashes dust to dust if it wasnt for chevys my tools would rust p/s sorry higgy

[turbocoupe]

you know im a ford nut myself but if i were to switch brands it would have to be mopar ive got buddys that run 440s with little work done and they simply fly as for running chevys NOT why do you think glidden called it quits them chevys just dont cut it lol

[higgybrew]

"you know that old saying ashes to ashes dust to dust if it wasnt for chevys my tools would rust "
I hadn't heard that one before. Hey, don't be taking potshots at us Chevy guys if you're not gonna race! :D BTW I don't think one of those 440's could keep up to a 454! Maybe we'll see next year!

[Belvedere65]

CCRT


28 DAYS & COUNTING





:D :D :cool: :D :D

[mod313]

Had to replace the dryer today due to overwork in training with boots and ball bearings. Think it sprung one of those Chrysler type motor problems:D :D :D .

[turbocoupe]

sorry higgy i didnt realize u chebby guys are so sensitive lol:D

[CCRT]

Originally posted by higgybrew
Dave don't wait for the green! Leave off of the stage bulb. :D

Mark--

Are you SURE? My good friend Mr. Bill wouldn't give me bad information......Would he?:eek:

[CCRT]

Originally posted by higgybrew
"you know that old saying ashes to ashes dust to dust if it wasnt for chevys my tools would rust "


"Roses are Red, Violets are Blue. If you drive a Mopar you don't have a CLUE!!!!!!"

"Roses are Red, Violets are Blue. If a Mopar driver told you he won the race, you know it ain't TRUE"


:D :D :D

[Belvedere65]

:cool: Will you be ambarassed when I PEEL YOUR SKIN IN FRONT OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE?:D ------:p

[mod313]

Only upper half skin peeling is allowed, after all there will be children present and we wouldn't want to scare any of them. Will be interesting to see Mr Dave peel a big red tomato though:D .

[CCRT]

With the official opening of the NED tomorrow, I thought I’d take this time to thank everyone who contributed to this “Brand Wars” thread. It hopefully provided some laughs and helped pass the time until opening day.

Seriously, I hope everyone and every Brand has a SAFE, fun and prosperous season.

See ya in the lanes.....don't forget to smile for the camera;)

--Dave
CCRT


BTW: please continue to poke fun at all the Brands…I know Mr. Bill, Mr. Doug, Mr. Mark and I will continue the thrashing :D :D :D

[Belvedere65]

CCRT



27 DAYS AND COUNTING!



:D :D :p :D :D

[Belvedere65]

MR. MOD 313,

It's a lot easier skinning a banana, than it is a tomato!


Try it sometime.


Post results of test.

[CCRT]

Not necessarily so, Mr. Bill.

If you place the Tomato in HOT water, (like the hot water you’ll be in on April 28th), the skin will blister and just fall off.

[hotrod7043]

bill can hadle the heat, and its only chebby water.

[Belvedere65]

:cool: Geez Mr. Dave, you can also cook!!!!!!!!!!

Well, your butt will be cooked mighty quick in 27 days.

Tomorrow, it will be only 26 days to that long ride home, after a loosing day at the track! I don't suppose you have a CD player in that 49 Chebby truck you tow with, to sooooooooooth your hurting?

No hard feelings, RIGHT?
:D

[CCRT]

Mr. Bill

Just to show you what kind of people us Chebby guys are, We're gonna serve you up a special dish on the 28th.......

Any one have a can opener??????

[CCRT]

Originally posted by Belvedere65
Well, your butt will be cooked mighty quick in 27 days.

Be carefull.... the BUTT your gonna try and cook on the 28th, may be the same one you'll be kissing on the 29th:D :D :D

[daninline]

Originally posted by CCRT
Mr. Bill

Just to show you what kind of people us Chebby guys are, We're gonna serve you up a special dish on the 28th.......

Any one have a can opener??????

Just like a Chebby owner to forget the can opener :)
I think you need to check the Exp date on that can:eek:

[CCRT]

Originally posted by daninline
Just like a Chebby owner to forget the can opener :)


Mr. Dan--

Speaking of can openers..... Who did the body work on your stang?:eek:

[daninline]

Originally posted by CCRT


Mr. Dan--

Speaking of can openers..... Who did the body work on your stang?:eek:

None done as of yet.
only needs paint someday
I see you like to pick on peoples rides.
But I don't care I race looose and have fun :)

[CCRT]

Originally posted by daninline
I see you like to pick on peoples rides.


Just defending us Chebby owners, Dan:)

Having fun with each other is what it is all about:p

[hotrod7043]

dave your idea of fun isnot very nice who painted yur banana tree.f

[turbocoupe]

well guys this is supposed to be for fun isnt it ,we all talk smack isnt that what racers do wether u own ford ,dodge or chebby they are all good equip and personally i think ne dragway has some of the best racers around just puttin in my 2 cents c u guys sunday